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• Goodbye, shitty "Car extends Vehicle" object-orientation tutorial http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2011-August/000937.html 128 comments 22/8/2011

• "I propose a new rule for discussions of object-oriented programming: anyone who brings up examples of Dog, Bike, Car, Person, or other real-world objects... is immediately shot" http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2011-august/000937.html 474 comments 22/8/2011 programming

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